i think obama is plotting the map for the next debate. he gave romney a lot of leeway and there were a lot -- a lot of lot of lot of facts. >> jamal: here is what we do know about the president. this is one of the most competitive people that exists on the american political stage. probably there is nobody who is currently in politics who is more competitive than barack obama. i would bet anybody $10,000 -- i would bet anybody any money that this president -- people will not feel about this president's performance at the next two debates the way they feel after the first debate. he will not let anybody talk about him the way they have talked about him the last 24 hours. >> caller: i agree with you 100% and i'll up you $25,000. >> jamal: we'll get mitt romney in there, we can cover both of our bets. that's about three hour's worth of interest in his bank account. >> caller: exactly. and romney is controlled by a few, very, very large contributors. i want president obama to ask him about grover norquist and the pledge that has paralyzed our